Cowboys vs. Eagles: Bijan to Philly?
The Dallas Cowboys will be moving and shaking when it comes to Mike McCarthy’s roster and the coaching staff, as will the rest of the NFL. Follow all the action here!
MARCH 26 BIJAN TO PHILLY? No offense to Ezekiel Elliott, but as notable as it would be if the Cowboys ex signs with the rival Eagles - as suggested by ESPN's Adam Schefter in what turns out to be a botched blockbuster of a "story'' - a maybe even more scary thought is circulating.
Another running back with Texas ties - Longhorns star Bijan Robinson - recently had a pre-draft visit with the Eagles, per NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo.
Garafolo notes that Eagles GM Howie Roseman has never selected a running back in the first round, and that the franchise hasn’t taken a first-round runner since 1986.
But Philly with the No. 10 pick? And Bijan being viewed by our scout pals as a top-10 talent? Given what the Eagles already do on offense ... yes, a scary Cowboys thought.
MARCH 21 OFFENSIVE LINE ADDITION The Dallas Cowboys have added to their offensive line by signing Chuma Edoga, the ex-Atlanta Falcon who played in just two games this past season.
Edoga brings experience at both tackle and guard, having played in 24 games with the New York Jets over the span of three seasons. The 25-year-old replenishes depth upfront that was lost when the Buffalo Bills signed starting left guard Connor McGovern via free agency.
The Cowboys worked to trade for him a year ago as a depth piece. Maybe that’s the likely path now, with this one-year deal, depending on the team’s positional plans for Tyron Smith and Tyler Smith.
MARCH 18 RONALD JONES VISIT The Dallas Cowboys are hosting a trio of NFL vets on Monday here at The Star, including former McKinney North High running back and second-round pick Ronald Jones.
The Dallas News reports that Jones, 25, will be joined by linebacker Travin Howard and offensive lineman Chuma Edoga.
Jones (5-11, 205) was drafted by the Bucs out of USC and was on the Chiefs' Super Bowl roster last year. He could be a helper behind Tony Pollard with Ezekiel Elliott having been cut.
Howard, a Texas native, played at TCU and was a rotational player on the Rams' recent Super Bowl winner.
The Jets drafted Edoga in the 2019 third round and he played last year with the Falcons.
MARCH 17 SLAY STAYS The Eagles reversed course after essentially announcing they were going to cut 32-year-old cornerback Darius Slay, instead finding a contractual way to retain him.
But for a moment there, he was on the trade block. And there was that Cowboys rumor ...
That gave Slay a belly laugh.
ESPN initially tweeted that the Eagles called the Cowboys to gauge their interest in a potential trade for Slay; that turned out to be inaccurate (see below). But before the network could clarify, Slay weighed in.
“Lol I don’t think they would trade me in the division,” Slay said with a crying laughing emoji.
Of course, the Cowboys and Eagles have made trades before, but ... point made.
The Cowboys gave up just a fifth-round pick for the five-time All-Pro Gilmore, who will make $7.9 million next season. ... and who the Cowboys hope will help make trouble for the NFC East rival Eagles.
MARCH 15 SLAY CUT The Eagles will save $17 million in cap space, it is being reported, by making cornerback Darius Slay a post-June 1st cut designation.
But in any event, the 32-year-old standout - who was on the Cowboys' radar before the Tuesday trade for Stephon Gilmore - is now free.
Philly, by the way, tried to trade Slay, maybe even in a relative giveaway, and why? Because Cowboys owner Jerry Jones was right: Eventually, even the "empty the bucket'' teams have to pay the piper.
MARCH 14 NOAH TO TEXANS The Cowboys need wideout help … and Noah Brown is no longer a candidate.
The Texans, after already having agreed to a deal with veteran wideout Robert Woods, are now also adding Dallas’ Noah Brown.
Brown was a Cowboys seventh-round pick in 2017 who has spent his entire NFL career in Dallas, mostly as a deep backup … though he had a career year with 43 catches for 555 yards and three touchdowns.
Is there one more Texans-Cowboys receiver connection coming in the form of a Brandin Cooks trade?
Stay tuned.
MARCH 14 WILSON RETURNING The Dallas Cowboys made a major move on Tuesday morning, re-signing impact safety Donovan Wilson to a three-year $24 million deal, per reports.
The first two years and $13.5 million of Wilson's deal will be fully guaranteed.
Wilson, who came to the Cowboys as a sixth-round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft out of Texans A&M, emerged as a major playmaker for Dallas in 2022, playing in and starting all 17 games in the regular season, as well as both playoff games.
Wilson finished the 2022 season with 101 tackles, seven tackles for loss, nine quarterback hits, two forced fumbles, and two pass deflections, as well as an interception.
He also had 14 tackles and two pass deflections in the Cowboys' two playoff games.
MARCH 14 GIFFORD LEAVES The Cowboys are quietly suggesting they're playing a bit of a waiting game on Leighton Vander Esch and Bobby Wagner ... but while they wait, another linebacker is out the door.
Luke Gifford is signing with the Titans on what ESPN reports is a two-year deal worth up to $5 million.
Gifford was a centerpiece of the Cowboys on special teams in 2022 but Dallas opted to not prioritize him ... while they wait.
And about that wait: It's being reported that Wagner has been asked to hang tight while Dallas tries to work on Vander Esch. That's a tricky game, as there hasn't been much real movement in talks with Vander Esch (as of late Monday) and Wagner has no real obligation to twiddle his thumbs here.
MARCH 13 GALLUP MONEY MOVES The Dallas Cowboys haven't yet moved any new players into The Star ...
But they are again moving money to create room under the salary cap.
The latest "flip of the switch'' (as always, not requiring negotiation or sacrifice) involves the team having restructured the contract of wide receiver Michael Gallup.
The move saves Dallas $7 million of room (dropping Gallup's cap hit from just over $13.8 million to around $6.4 million) and now the Cowboys have about $22 million of room.
MARCH 12 WHY NOT COWBOYS? The Cowboys are talking about making moves but one just got made ... and it would've fit the roster nicely.
Would it not fit the finances nicely?
The Los Angeles Rams are trading All-Pro cornerback Jalen Ramsey to the Miami Dolphins.
The cost? The Rams get a paltry 2023 third-round pick and tight end Hunter Long.
Why so cheap? Surely that is due to the salary that Miami is taking on ... maybe in conjunction with Ramsey desiring a new and richer deal. And yet, right now?
Here are Ramsey's dollars:
For 2023, it's a $17 mil base salary.
For 2024, it's a $14.5 mil base salary plus a $4 mil roster bonus.
For 2025, it's a $15.5 mil base salary plus a $4 mil roster bonus.
There is nothing especially outrageous about any of that ... meaning there are going to be those in Cowboys Nation who feel their own outrage.
MARCH 11 RIP BUD GRANT To a now-Texan born and raised in Minnesota, the best way I can describe “the meaning of Bud Grant” is this:He was “our Tom Landry.”
“We are absolutely devastated to announce legendary Minnesota Vikings head coach and Hall of Famer Bud Grant has passed away this morning at age 95,” the team said on Saturday. “We, like all Vikings and NFL fans, are shocked and saddened by this terrible news.”
Grant is a “weatherproof” icon in Minnesota, the coach of all four Vikings Super Bowl teams, a capable rival of the great Cowboys teams through three decades, and to the end, an avid outdoorsman who lives on as an undying symbol of achievement in my home state. - Fish
MAR 9 TEXANS PUNISHED The Houston Texans are now down to 10 picks entering the 2023 NFL Draft, with the team being forced to forfeit their fifth-round pick (No. 137 overall) due to a salary-cap violation involving former star quarterback Deshaun Watson.
The NFL ruled that the Texans violated the league's COVID-19 protocols by providing Watson an off-site athletic facility in 2020 for workout purposes when NRG Stadium was closed due to the pandemic.
In addition to losing a fifth-round pick, the NFL has also fined the Texans $175,000. The Texans released a statement not agreeing to the ruling but will comply. See more here.
MARCH 6 GENO'S BAG The Seahawks on Monday beat the tag deadline and locked up Pro Bowl QB Geno Smith, with the two sides finalizing a new multi-year contract that Jordan Schultz reports will be worth $105 million over three years.
Smith, 32, could’ve become a free agent or could've been tagged. Instead, the QB who re-made himself in Seattle in 2022 - as he won the NFL Comeback Player of the Year - will continue on.
MARCH 5 TROY TO TOM Tom Brady will not be starting his broadcasting career until the 2024 season, but the speculation regarding the legendary NFL quarterback, who is retiring from the game to eventual work in the booth at FOX, is everywhere.
And the always helpful Cowboys icon Troy Aikman, now of ESPN, is here to help.
“Just to be himself,” Aikman said of what would be his advice to Brady. “I have no illusions as to what it might look like for Tom. I think he’ll be fantastic. He’s been great at everything he’s done. The reason he has been so good is because he puts in the work. And that’s the key. You can fake it for a little bit, and then it catches up to you.
"You’ve got to put in the time. I think the fans deserve that – and Tom will give that to him.”
MARCH 4 CB MOVES The Texans announced Friday afternoon the contract termination of center Justin Britt, while signing defensive back Kendall Sheffield.
Sheffield played his first three seasons with the Atlanta Falcons, where he recorded 101 tackles and six pass deflections in 38 career games from 2019 to 2021. He spent last season as a member of the Dallas Cowboys' practice squad.
MARCH 2 TOUGH CHOICE The Los Angeles Rams have seen a complete coaching staff overhaul this offseason but they still need a running backs coach.
And despite some recent searching, it looks like that will remain the case for now.
Per a report, Texas Longhorns running backs coach and former Cowboys running back Tashard Choice "turned down" the Rams job to remain under coach Steve Sarkisian at Texas.
Choice could've been an impressive get for the Rams based on what he did during his first year at Texas last season. The Longhorns, which boasted a backfield of future 2023 draft picks Bijan Robinson and Roschon Johnson, were considered one of the deepest running back rooms in the country for a reason.
But Bijan is now going to the NFL. And Choice ... isn't.
FEB 23 KOBE ON CEEDEE The late Kobe Bryant is an idol with popularity that reaches far beyond his reach as a Lakers legend …
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As established by Cowboys receiver CeeDee Lamb’s new full-back tattoo …
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The photos are courtesy of artist Andres Ortega out at Onder Ink in Arizona, one of four people who worked together on the art.
Per TMZ Sports: “An iconic photo of Kobe chewing on his jersey now sits on Lamb's right shoulder blade, accompanied by a black mamba with its tongue out. On his left shoulder blade, there's a huge image of a jaguar. Just below that, there's a Spartan warrior -- and to the right of that, there's an I-45 sign that represents the highway that runs through Dallas. There's also a crucifix, a crown and the words "My Story Isn't Over."
FEB 21 SKIPPING OFF Former Cowboys running backs coach Skip Peete - a mentor and teacher to Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard - is moving on with a new job.
NFL Network’s Jane Slater reports that Peete is headed to the Tampa Bay Bucs in the same role (of running backs coach.) Peete notably coached a trio of backs in Ezekiel Elliott, Tony Pollard and Malik Davis who all finished the year without any fumbles and is credited with Pollard’s development.”
Peete was let go by coach Mike McCarthy at the end of the 2022 season in a shuffle of the coaching staff.
FEB 17 EX COWBOYS SIGN WITH RAVENS The Ravens have always like Brent Urban. And they have come to like Daryl Worley. So both of the former Cowboys are re-upping in Baltimore.
Worley and Urban - each of whom had a cup of coffee in Dallas (Worley in 2020, Urban in 2021) - provide depth for a Ravens defense that was playing at a high level over the second half of the season.
Worley, 27, appeared in eight games last year for the Ravens. Urban, 31, came to the Ravens for a second time when he was signed prior to last season and played in 16 games.
FEB 3 COWBOYS MOVE ON The Jaguars have signed running back Qadree Ollison and the Ravens have signed cornerback Trayvon Mullen, both of whom were part of the Cowboys late in the 2022 season.
Ollison spent the entire 2022 season on the Cowboys practice squad but was elevated to play in three games during the regular season. Mullen, a former second-round pick, was part of Dallas' revolving door at cornerback at year's end but was no longer on the roster for the playoffs, freeing the Ravens to sign him off waivers.
The Cowboys have made similar moves with their own futures contracts. Among the 90-man signees: receivers Antonio Callaway, Dennis Houston (who started the 2022 season on the 53-man roster) and Dontario Drummond, offensive linemen Issac Alarcon, Alex Taylor, Alec Lindstrom and Brock Hoffman, tight end Seth Green and defensive backs Juanyeh Thomas, Tyler Coyle and Sheldrick Redwine.
FEB 12 SUPER BOWL CONTROVERSY, CHIEFS WIN To the delight of Cowboys Nation ... the Kansas City Chiefs are hoisting the Lombardi Trophy after a 38-35 win against the Philadelphia Eagles.
The game was one of the Super Bowl's most entertaining games, coming down to the final drive.
In the red zone, the Chiefs drove down inside of field goal range to take the lead with just under two minutes to go. On 3rd-and-8 with just under two minutes to go, Eagles cornerback James Bradberry IV was called for holding on Chiefs wide receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster.
Harrison Butker knocked down the game-winning field goal with just seconds to go, leading to a Chiefs Super Bowl win.
And the NFC East enemy Eagles fall short ... much to the delight of Cowboys fans.
FEB 8 IRVIN BENCHED Hall of Fame wide receiver Michael Irvin says he is “baffled” by NFL Network’s decision to bench him as an analyst on Sunday's Super Bowl in the wake of a woman’s complaint about his conduct this week in Arizona.
“Honestly, I'm a bit baffled with it all," Irvin said to The Dallas Morning News. “It all happened in a 45-second conversation in the (hotel) lobby. … I came into the lobby and I talked to somebody. I talked to this girl. I don't know her, and I talked to her for about 45 seconds. We shook hands. Then, I left. ... That's all I know."
NFL Network did not specify the details of the woman's complaint. A Glendale Police spokesperson told the Morning News that they had no knowledge of any incident involving Irvin, the three-time Super Bowl champ and Pro Football Hall of Famer.
FEB 5 DIGGS VS. DIGGS Trevon Diggs
vs. Stefon Diggs? It's bragging rights within the family, and otherwise sort of silly fun.
What happened? Little brother Trevon of the Cowboys picked off big brother Stefon of the Bills after the star wideout - "playing QB'' in the flag-football game that is now the centerpiece of the Pro Bowl - tried to throw a pass.
Trevon grabbed the interception in the red zone and almost returned it for a touchdown.
Big deal? Hardly.
Fun deal? Sure!
FEB 4 DALTON TO DC? We've seen this "reported'' but we will more honestly put in under the heading of "buzz'' ...
The Washington Commanders are thinking of moving on from Logan Thomas ... and thinking of making a free agency bid on Dallas' Dalton Schultz.
They'd have to find the cap room to do it; maybe dumping veteran quarterback Carson Wentz would help. At the same time, the Cowboys have their cap challenges in keeping Schultz, who has spent the first five seasons of his career building to this point, last year earning the franchise tag (and the $10.9 mil salary) and this time around maybe expendable at The Star as Dallas has developed two kids who might take over the tight end spot.
One issue for the Commanders: If they opt to rely on rookie Sam Howell at QB, this sort of move is affordable. But if they decide to spend in the quarterback market, Schultz likely wouldn’t work there ...
But we still wonder if he'll work in Dallas.
FEB 2 TYRON BACK? All-Pro tackle Tyron Smith has undergone surgery this week ... But this doesn't sound like a worrisome one.
Tyron, who made his 2022 debut late in the year after the early injury in which he "tore his hamstring from the bone,'' this time had arthroscopic surgery on his knee - a relatively minor thing.
And what's the plan going forward for Tyron, who turned 32 in December?
"I have no reason to believe he won't be (back in 2023,'' said COO Stephen Jones of the Cowboys, who have the future Hall of Famer under contract for one more season, with a $17.6 million cap number (and no real saving if he departs).
FEB 1 TOM AND GISELE Tom Brady has officially retired, and while details on how the retirement decision went down are emerging, his ex-wife Gisele is "trending.''
"Tom Brady informed the Bucs today at 6 am he’d be retiring," ESPN's Jeff Darlington said on Twitter this morning. "One aspect I’d been mentioning for a bit now: Brady for months implied to many close to him that it was going to be either a return to Tampa or retirement. Tough for many to believe, including those close, but he meant it."
Brady's statement is above, and some Cowboys-related thoughts are here.
The Cowboys got to say the last official on-field goodbye to Brady, 45, who, despite his 2022 divorce from model Gisele, reportedly maintains a close relationship with her and their children.
JAN 30 ANOTHER PRO BOWLER The Dallas Cowboys will have another guy in the Pro Bowl Games … but not for the preferred reason.
Because Eagles center Jason Kelce is going to the Super Bowl, the Pro Bowl festivities in Las Vegas need a replacement … so Cowboys center Tyler Biadasz has been added to the Pro Bowl.
That gives Dallas eight honorees: Biadasz, Zack Martin, CeeDee Lamb, Tony Pollard (injured), Micah Parsons, Trevon Diggs, DeMarcus Lawrence and KaVontae Turpin.
JAN 29 QB ARREST University of Georgia star quarterback Stetson Bennett, who led the Bulldogs to back-to-back national championships and is now eligible for the April NFL Draft, has been arrested in Dallas for public intoxication.
Bennett, 25, was taken into police custody around 6 a.m. CT on Sunday morning after police received reports of a man banging on doors in the 1600 block of Tribeca Way.
According to DPD, when officers arrived, they found Bennett and "determined he was intoxicated."
Bennett was taken into custody, transported to the City Detention Center and booked. Authorities did not release any bond information at this time.
Bennett started his college career as a walk-on and was a Heisman Trophy finalist this past season after leading the Bulldogs to a 15-0 record and SEC championship.
JAN 28 ZIM IS IN Former Cowboys coach Mike Zimmer, who became close with Deion Sanders during their time together in Dallas, is joining Deion’s staff at the University of Colorado.
Sanders confirmed that in a YouTube visit. Zimmer - in 2021 the Vikings head coach - having served as an analyst for Sanders at Jackson State in 2022.
“Coach Zimmer’s coming,” Deion said, with the possibility that he’ll be the Buffs’ defensive coordinator. “Forget the titles; (his hires( know this game and they know kids and they’ve been capable of making tremendous decisions with the kids and the young men in mind. So that’s what I adore the most — understanding how to establish the relationships with these young men.”
JAN 27 EAGLES 'RIPS' Jalen Hurts has been dealing with that shoulder injury since way back on Dec. 18, but he will be playing for the Cowboys rival Eagles in the NFC Championship Game against the Niners ...
And on Friday, Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni offered an update on his star quarterback.
"He's still getting treatment and stuff like that but he's ripping it like any normal week," Sirianni said.
Before this year, Hurts wasn't considered much of a thrower. That has changed to so degree ... and he remains a dangerous runner. On Saturday in the Divisional Round of the playoffs, he had 154 passing yards, 34 rushing yards and three total touchdowns in a beatdown of the Giants.
Now Hurts gets the 49ers defense that topped the Cowboys last week in the playoffs while causing Dak Prescott to throw a pair of interceptions.
The 49ers-Eagles game will kick off at 2 p.m. CT.
JAN 27 MORE FUTURES The Cowboys continue to sign up their Reserve/Futures guys, with 11 players so far this week coming back from the practice squad - now including popular offensive tackle Isaac Alarcon.
Alarcon has been with the Cowboys for three seasons on the NFL International Pathway program but has "run out of eligibility'' there. But Dallas believes he's developed enough to merit a spot on the 90-man offseason roster. ... in addition to his presence as a way to connect with the international fan base.
Others signed to futures contracts this week are wideouts Antonio Callaway, Dontario Drummond and Dennis Houston, tight end Seth Green, O-linemen Alex Taylor, Brock Hoffman and Alec Lindstrom, and DBs Tyler Coyle, Juanyeh Thomas and Sheldrick Redwine.
JAN 26 MCCARTHY AS LANDRY? As part of his Thursday season-ending presser, Mike McCarthy dropped a bomb of sorts. ...
McCarthy said that team owner Jerry Jones told him this week that he wants McCarthy to coach the Cowboys as long as Tom Landry did. “I said, ‘OK, that’s a long time.’”
How seriously are some fans and media taking this?
Way too seriously, of course.
Jerry is obviously not only speaking hyperbolically (what's new!) but also figuratively ... and symbolically.
He's trying to express his support for the coach, who has won 12 games in back-to-back seasons ... and who despite that seems to be somewhat of a punching bag for critics.
For what it's worth, the legendary Landry coached the Cowboys for 29 seasons.
Mike McCarthy, with three seasons under his belt, is presently 59.
So Mike, to fulfill Jerry's "vision,'' would coach the Cowboys until age 85.
Again ... Jerry is talking hyperbolically (what's new!) but also figuratively ... and symbolically.
In actual news, Dan Quinn tells CowboysSI.com that he's staying ... and McCarthy, when asked by us about Kellen Moore's job security, could not promise the same outcome.
JAN 26 PFT 'BEHIND THE SCENES' The Cowboys have given every indication that they are keeping coach Mike McCarthy.
But ProFootballTalk.com - as it so often does - has other, more conspiratorial ideas.
The Cowboys have "parted ways'' (i.e., fired) a number of assistant coaches. All of this is painful. None of this is unusual.
And yet Mike Florio at PFT writes ...
"And it makes me wonder whether something else is going on behind the scenes. Something like owner Jerry Jones discreetly lining up the replacement for the head coach before firing the head coach, because Jones will fire the head coach only if he gets the replacement Jones wants. ...
And then Florio mentions "Sean Payton’s candidacy.''
We think it's odd that the firing of assistants somehow equals the firing of their boss, though anything is possible. We don't think it's odd to float the name of Payton here, even though it's being done (again and again) without any real evidence.
And I guess we should no longer be bothered by the idea that a report is going to take us "behind the scenes.'' ... regardless of whether there is any such access to that place "behind the scenes.''
Want a simple fact, rather than speculation? McCarthy is holding his season-ending press conference with us here at The Star at 3 p.m. CT.
If he announces that he’s stepping down to make room for Sean Payton, we will let you know.
JAN 24 WHERE IS JERRY? Radio silence? From owner Jerry Jones?
Jones’ cancellation of his Tuesday radio show on 105.3 The Fan naturally leads to speculation - as Jerry well knows and does not mind - about what’s “rumbling” here inside The Star.
Is it about to head coach Mike McCarthy's staff job security? About the guys out of contract (including George Edwards, Joe Philbin and Doug Nussmeier)? About possible departures of Dan Quinn?
A full-staff postgame meeting is normal. So is some period of football mourning. How about a press conference? When’s that? And … well, Jerry is a busy man.
So … radio silence. But this is Jerry. So the Cowboys won’t be silent for long.
JAN 23 SIGNINGS: The Cowboys are now free - unfortunately - to begin the assemblage of a 90-man roster via “futures” contracts.
The list so far features five players from the practice squad: Wideout Dontario Drummond, centers Brock Hoffman and Alec Lindstrom and DBs Sheldrick Redwine and Juanyeh Thomas.
Stay tuned here for more signings …
JAN 23 RUMBLINGS OF CHANGE? Sunday's playoff loss at San Francisco did not change the mind of owner Jerry Jones in regard to head coach Mike McCarthy's job security.
"No, no, no,'' Jones said when asked about the idea of dismissing McCarthy after his 12-5 regular season. "Not at all.''
But that doesn't eliminate the possibility of change on the staff.
Of course, there is Dan Quinn, as this 19-12 loss may have been his last game as Dallas’ defensive coordinator as he's being pursued by Denver and elsewhere as a head coaching candidate.
And there is offensive coordinator Kellen Moore, up for a Panthers interview ... though this 12-point output probably doesn't help beef up his resume.
But in the Monday morning postmortem, 105.3 The Fan morning host Shan Shariff made note of the fact that Jerry and Stephen Jones canceled their Monday and Tuesday planned appearances. ... and the observer certainly could infer that the cancelations are due to more pressing matters inside The Star.
Like staff changes? Or maybe just a staff meeting, the second of which is commonplace after Cowboys games.
Worth noting: Late Sunday, Jerry explained to us how some change is inevitable - and used iconic Cowboys coach Tom Landry, dismissed by new owner Jones in 1989, as evidence.
“The system recognizes and rewards excellent coordinators and excellent coaches,” Jones said. “So you can’t think that your life’s over when you look ahead and think that you’re not going to have the same people as coordinators or even coaches. (But) ... they do come and go. They all leave. Closest thing to that was the one that left when I got here, coach Landry. I’m really not trying to be cute.
"Especially when you have success, you know there’s turnover.''
And maybe when you have playoff failure, too.
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